OK so define a muscle car - does it just have to have a V8 motor?
Is it just street version?
Can racing versions run?
Is it just American? if so why? cos thats the same arguement used against NASCARS - its a foreign based class
If its not limited to American cars then you can run a Aussie V8 cos they are muscle cars are they not?
Is a two seater GT like viper only allowed to run as a muslce car or also as GT in with the Nincos cos to me they are sports cars that happen to have V8s
Do you allow all Viper models including Flycar versions or just the Scalextric version ? would racing versions be allowed. Would the Modern Corvette be allowed in.
Is the Ford GT 40 Stillon included cos it is American and has a V8
Come to think of it so does a Range Rover
If you allow Carrra old style NASCARS cos they are 'muscle cars' but you want to include modern cars why cant you include new style NASCARS cos you would be removing the period racing feel of the class. If you say you cant include modern NASCARS cos they a racing cars then so are the older Carrera cars plus cars like the Scalextric Cameros cos they are only race car versions not street versions.
How big does a V8 have to be to be classed as a muscle car?
If only V8s allowed then the charger cant race cos its a 6 pot
If its only American then no Aussie V8 (GHTO etc) can run.
When is a modern street version car no longer a street version. ie when does it become a race car?
If race/modern cars allowed then the whole feel of the class goes out the window
I can come up with more difficulties or things to think about
I think were are trying to combine two distinct classes together here
I would like to give my modern Mustang another run next year, ran the first couple of races with the screw tight and still finished fourth I think.
Have to disagree with you on the NASCARS Steve, the Carrera old style NASCARS are/were road cars modified to go racing but still retained the shape of the road car, modern NASCARS are more a silhouette class these days which look just enough like the road car so they should qualify for their own class but if they don't I take it all back and include them in Muscle Cars.
The Scalextric Viper and Ford GT would be in the GT class only as this is where the real cars they currently race.
Still dont understand what makes a car a muscle car so I dont understand this class is about anymore.
Horse power size of original number of sillynders country or origin or just because . . . . .
Answer those and you know what the class is supposed to be. When you know what it is supposed to be you will know what cars belong in it - logical really.
Its in danger of becoming a mish-mash of cars allowed in due to being given exceptions to race - its lost its appeal as a class - even splitting the votes down the middle.
What ever happens the current list needs an injection of more variety but not at the expense of the concept of the class type. May as well just call it Car cars or street cars - Its also in danger of allowing cars of ranging capabilities.
Looked up what the real world reckon a Muscle car is and they have no idea either
The Mustang is a muscle car. The GTO is is muscle car,.But GM styling killed its soul.Also it almost all ways be rear wheel drive.Another sport/muscle car is Nissian Skyline.You can put the Evo and WRXin here too
muscle cars are metal boxes with big engines.if it has suspension designed to turn, its not really a muscle car. in that sense muscle is gone for good. on the flip side, we will soon be able to buy cars with more engine than they ever put in a metal box in the 60s.the good times are here again. What makes a muscle car a muscle car?Muscle is back, and this time it's not just American cars.
What do you think qualifies as "muscle?" Mercedes AMG cars? BMW M models? What about super-coupes like the Chevrolet Corvette ZO6?The Mustang is a muscle car. The GTO is is muscle car,.But GM styling killed its soul.Also it almost all ways be rear wheel drive.Another sport/muscle car is Nissian Skyline.You can put the Evo and WRXin here too
muscle cars are metal boxes with big engines.if it has suspension designed to turn, its not really a muscle car. in that sense muscle is gone for good. on the flip side, we will soon be able to buy cars with more engine than they ever put in a metal box in the 60s.the good times are here again.
A muscle car is built AND designed in the US. It is inexpensive power with great style and an "I will eat you" attitude. As far as I am concerned there are very few true Muscle cars left. While the current GTO and Mustang make a good effort, they lack that certain something. They just dont have that Attitude. If it has leather, a 20 disc changer, a holder for you ipod, or less than 8 cyls (GNX exempt from last statement)... it is NOT a muscle car. If it has a name other than Chevy, Ford, Dodge, AMC, Pontiac or the likes... it is NOT a muscle car. If it has more than 2 wheels driving it, or if those two wheels are not in back... it is NOT a muscle car! As for "super coupes"... not really. I never considered the'Vette a muscle car, it was above that.Not even close!
Those who say muscle cars can only be designed and built in the US and inexpensive are close minded and refuse to give into the new breed of muscle cars built overseas.The 4 bangers put in the hoods of some of the muscle cars today would have been just as easily used way back when too, to keep the costs down in the original muscle cars.They just didn't have tiny engines that packed that much punch then.Even the engine used under the hood of WRX STi, walks all over the Cosworth Vega's 4 cylinder engine
When I first was introduced to the group this class was clearly defined in the 2007 season as indicated below as 60/70's Muscle cars, perhaps were guilt already of allowing it to drift in to ambiguity?
60's/70's Muscle Cars
Scalextric: 1. Ford Mustang 1971 'Dan Furey' #61. 2. Chev Camaro 'Stubber Historic Touring' #31. 3. Chevrolet Corvette L88 #2. 4. Chev Camaro 'Behrens Racing' #74. 5. Ford Mustang Boss 302 Troy Promotions. 6. Bob Jane Chevrolet Camaro Limited Edition Australia Only. 7. Ford Mustang '69 Stark Hickey Ford Inc. 8. Chevrolet Corvette L88 American International Racing Team, No. 45. 9. Chevrolet Corvette L88 GM Test Car. 10. Chevrolet Corvette L88 1972 #57. 11. Chevrolet Corvette L88 1972 #48. 12. Chevrolet Corvette L88 1969 #1. 13. Ford Gran Torino 1976 "Starsky & Hutch". 14. Chevrolet Camaro 1969 #6. 15. Chevrolet Camaro 1970 "Joe Chamberlain" #76.
re-name the class Trans-am. You open up the class too wide and that leads to trouble. Scaley are adding another car that should be enough. No cars should race unless they have a numbered livery i am sick of racing against plain street cars. but then again i just go with the flow
Basically every class is for cars that would for the most part have raced against each other in real life (the only class that spoils this is Slot It cos of the their two modern racers being in with the older Le Mans models but that can be easily fixed eh!)
So there are two things to look at
1. Cars that would have raced against each other - thats the class type 2. Slotcars that are competitive with each other
2008 the class was OK to both - What ever happens in 2009 the class list must be agreed to and stuck to ( unlike this year)
