Wheel/Tyre combination may be replaced with other hub patterns or Alloys but the overall width and diameter must remain as standard for that particular model
Chassis Trimming/shaving to a maximum of 1mm along each side Ninco can only run NC5 motors only, Other brands limited to 19k(SCX is 19k)
thereby adding $58.00 or more than doubling the price of a car So you can actually go and buy a whole new car
Sorry guys thats maddness. Tinkering with all the classes is just the wrong thing to do cos too many things can and will go wrong. It will only take one guy to built to the limits and blast round a track to add pressure to others producing 'haves and have nots'.
Its just plain wrong. All that will be acheived is cost addition
Goal posts are being moved without thinking of the longer term and following issues that will arise
Plus there is still this erronious fixation about 'more revs means more speed' and 'more speed means better racing'. It just dosnt work like that. The extra 2k you get from the scalextric motor (which means we can now say $10.00 per 1000 revs) Its not responsible for the car going quicker its the extra grunt these motors have allowing them to actually get closer to its potential top speed
This sort of spiraling cost blowout will never get a positive vote from me
Its quite simple really why add a car to a class that is not competitive?
but having added that car why waste time and money looking for ways to make it competitive?
Again its just maddness. If a car maker makes a car which is uncompetive then just dont buy that car
Stick with tha rules as they have been agreed to and if needs be add/subtract for 2009. Wholesale changes are very very very bad. You all voted to allow other cars in. Nothing was said about allowing them in AND doubling that cost to make them (hopefully) competitive.
If I had run a poll saying allow Scalextric cars in with complete replacement of ALL moving parts (aftermarket motor, wheels, gears, guide) would you have said yes or no. I would have said NO for certain
As for putting in a bulk purchase for alloys - IMHO that will only work if all the alloys are the same make, size etc. Some cars take diffrent sized wheels, some guys will want diffrent sized wheels so the number purchased would not be sufficient to allow a significant discount to be offered
They dont have the same motor They dont have the same gears They dont have the same chassis layout They are not the same sort of car at all.
Logically the Scalextric GT/JAPAN cars belong with Group 5 where they DO have the same motor they DO have the same gears they DO have the same chassis layout All the running gear ( bar the guide) are interchangeable
Adding to that is the obvious fact that no new cars (repaints excepted) are being added to the Group 5 cars so an influx of new cars will bread new blood into the class with cars which have the same running gear. Granted the body designs may not be what some would call Group 5 whatever that means. Remember the BMW is a 24year old design so the cars aren't new nor are they really old. Its bit of a mish mash class at best.
It would also negate having to do motor swops which is a slippery slope at the best of times.
New Ninco cars appear to be getting better - look at the shorter wheelbased Ascaris at Robs - do you really want to spend $120 on a Scalextric car to beat a $65.00 Ninco
simple solution is keep it as Ninco GT. Either that or allow other makes "as is", I also thought we agreed to wheels, but not gears? gear are not necessary unless they fail which is unlikely
There is nothing in the rules for theses cars about using alloy gears so that extra cost is out.
Only alloy hubs which at $7 for SCX ones will be going on the rear of my Ascari to stop it from spinning the hub again like it did yesterday, costing me laps.
The way I see it is you have a $50 scaly car add a $20 motor if you want to, $70 total, and you basically have the same starting point as a $69 ninco. Or even better keep an eye out for specials, I recently got a Scalextric Ferrari 430, not the drift one, for $30.
What about a list of possible extra cars
Scalextric Ferrari 430 Aston Martin DB9R Jaguar XKRS Nissan Skyline Porsche 997 Nissan 350Z Dodge Viper Ford GT not GT40 Maserati MC12 Maserati Coupe Cmbiocorsa Mercedes Benz SLR Honda NSX Toyota Supra
SCX Aston Martin DB9R Corvette C5R Corvette C6R Ferrari 550 Marinello Ferrari 360 GTC Ferrari FXX Porsche 911 GT3 Seat Cupra
Carrera Porsche GT3 RSR BMW Z4 Ferrari Enzo (on sale at armchair for $39) Ferrari 575 GTC (also on sale) Maserati MC12 Corvette C6R Audi R8 (not the LMP one)
Proslot/Policar Porsche 911 GT2 Porsche 911 GT3 Ferrari 355 Ferrari 360
simple solution is keep it as Ninco GT. Either that or allow other makes "as is", I also thought we agreed to wheels, but not gears? gear are not necessary unless they fail which is unlikely
Poll was for wheels and gears - and whos to say its a replacement for a failure only
Wheel/Tyre combination may be replaced with other hub patterns or Alloys but the overall width and diameter must remain as standard for that particular model
Chassis Trimming/shaving to a maximum of 1mm along each side Ninco can only run NC5 motors only, Other brands limited to 19k(SCX is 19k)
Nothing in here about replacing gears failure or otherwise and while the poll was for gears and hubs quite a few people including me voted yes but with the comment of hubs only.
The way I see it is you have a $50 scaly car add a $20 motor if you want to, $70 total, and you basically have the same starting point as a $69 ninco. Or even better keep an eye out for specials, I recently got a Scalextric Ferrari 430, not the drift one, for $30.
Well you only end up with a car for a common price not a car that has common parts. Scaley and NINCO have completly different motor styles and chassis styles where as G5 and scaley Jap type cars have the same style chassis, common motor, common gears so in theory common performance.
Besides as the rules already allow other makes in G5 cars like the Aston Martin, jag etc should be able to run in that class cos nothing needs be done except stick a set on MJKs on. If it can run in that class then why would it also run in another class - we dont even allow the 997 to run with other GTs even though it is exactly the same class?????
Or are we saying a Scaley car can run with a 'faster' motor when it runs with NINCOs and a standard motor when it runs with G5 cars
Of any class that needs an injection of new blood its G5.
As for SCX - I really doubt they would be competitive with NINCOs unless lots of dosh was spent on it.
And good luck to anyone making a front engined car by ANY maker competitive
You run the risk of most of those cars never being raced in NINCO yet they are compatible with G5 cars which reading the rules they should also be available to race in without changing any existing 2008 rule or 2009 variation rule. Ninco class remains Ninco and the G5 gets enhanced by cars which will not whip collective BMW arses there by causing a mass buying of replacements
nice list of cars Chris, would be nice to see a wide variety, but I'l put my money on it being a Ninco dominated class still - most of us have them from the past 2 years etc
The only problem I have with adding the GT cars to G5 is that G5 is a 70's early 80's style of car where the GT cars are mostly 2000 on modern cars.
Just because they are on the class list it doesn't mean they have to be run, look at Muscle cars this year nearly everyone ran Scalextic but it would be good to have other options.
G5 is a 70's early 80's style of car where the GT cars are mostly 2000 on modern cars.
Funny you should say that cos thats the problem I have with the class - Nothing new being added to the class and over haif the field no longer available
All the talk about whacking in a Scaley motor 'cos it's got an extra 2K rpm... does the extra rpm really matter? On the tracks we run on will it make all that much difference? There's no Kingleman any more! (Yay!!!)
All the talk about whacking in a Scaley motor 'cos it's got an extra 2K rpm... does the extra rpm really matter? On the tracks we run on will it make all that much difference? There's no Kingleman any more! (Yay!!!)
Nathan and I ran our classics the other night here - NC5 vs NC1 = NC5 ass kick. I already have a scaley skyline with 20k motor in it - if I can get a ninco guide in it and a bit of body roll I'd like to see how it compares with the Ninco's!
All the talk about whacking in a Scaley motor 'cos it's got an extra 2K rpm... does the extra rpm really matter? On the tracks we run on will it make all that much difference? There's no Kingleman any more! (Yay!!!)
talking to Peter the last week, Kingleman still in place, and he has not heard from the buyers yet as to the proposed move (if at all)
Good to see some other comments, I was beginning to think it was just me and Steve.
Shane has the Skyline with 20K motor, we are racing Ninco GT at the next round, I'll bring a standard Skyline, so lets put them on the track and see how they go.
No, I thought the handling was worse, needed weight far more as It tended to tip more readily. Shane had his weighted & NC5 felt much better on the track
I'm workin on a calender, will send you a draft once I work it out (classes/tracks etc)
