Home of V32 rules and regs - suggest we start to get a feel for what rules and regs we want fixed - also see car class for suggestions as to how to narrow the classes to be used.
There appears to be only three areas which need reviews for the coming season
Wheels
Gears
Scrutineering
Note: The use of MJKs in Porsche 997 class has already been polled under 2009 classes as has the use of MJK's for ALL V8s
What we all have to be careful of is allowing cars to be developed to a stage where they become so developed that they become too removed from standard. Normally this means adding costs to each car.
Adding costs to each car takes money away from adding cars that we can each race.
So be mindful of allowing too many after market go faster bits
As mentioned in the news item hopefully we will have a set a draft rules for the group to review at Woodlands.
From a personal point of view, and this is just personal, I am a tad concerned about the wish to replace things like gears with aftermarket products and would like to see this ability limited somewhat. As has been mentioned maybe limited to just Slot It or even from cars within the class structure only.
SCX make fantastic 'pro' gears which dont cost an arm and a leg. But to allow things like Fazz gears in would be folly. Its an expense thats not needed. Also gear ratios should be kept standard.
When it comes to allowing Alloy hubs, again I am not sure I like the idea of allowing them in all classes as i would like to see classes like 60s/70s Le Mans and Muscle cars/pre 1972 sedans be limited to wheels and tyres from cars in their respective classes only, in order to maintain the intergrity of the classes. Especially in the Muscle car class because allowing resin bodies as well as Alloy wheels etc would mean some cars becoming potentially rocket ships thereby ruining what is not a bad class.
Likewise the Porsche 997 I would like to see still run standard gearing. I am open minded about wheels because Ninco wheels are not the best so see it anybe a compromise to say Ninco Standard hubs or xxxxxx type.
I dont mind the idea of opening up Group 5 to more freedom because it might allow a better veriaty of cars to race ( The class actually allows quite a few ofthe brand s to run its just that at the moment they are not really competive. Modern Le mans should have the hubs and gear freedoms
I guess we have all agreed V8s should just be based of this years format but allowing MJKs on ALL cars, not just box stock
I think if we allow MJKs on all V8's, you may as well say all V8's will need to be lowered... as a lowered one will leave a standard one for dead.
I personally couldn't give a fat rat's a#se about LMP... and voted that way, but I guess I gotta buy one now?
My thoughts on replacing gears with alloys was purely for longevity. Just look at my Chevron... I have to replace the gears, however I have to put plastic on again when I could go metal and for not much more.
Gear ratios should remain as the car was built eg 9/27, 12/32, 11/36 but should only come from the major manufacturers such as SCX, Ninco Scalextric, Slot it who all make upgrade parts or in Slot its case standard parts.
Alloy hubs should be limited to Slot it (which already have them), LMP (depending on what cars are allowed some of these also come with them), Group 5 and Ninco GT. But they must run inserts that are like the original rims and only on the rear axle.
As I have stated before I won't be replacing parts in cars just for the sake of it but if something fails it would be good to be able to replace it with something better that is not going to fail as easy.
I don't care what is done with the V8's but I will not be lowering mine, so just make the rule "weight, MJK's and lowering allowed". Then you can go as far as you want to.
Gear ratios should remain as the car was built eg 9/27, 12/32, 11/36 but should only come from the major manufacturers such as SCX, Ninco Scalextric, Slot it who all make upgrade parts or in Slot its case standard parts.
Would you consider change in order to create parity?
Alloy hubs should be limited to Slot it (which already have them), LMP (depending on what cars are allowed some of these also come with them), Group 5 and Ninco GT. But they must run inserts that are like the original rims and only on the rear axle.
Most cars I seem to have issues with are Nincos and Flys and typically the Front Hubs
As I have stated before I won't be replacing parts in cars just for the sake of it but if something fails it would be good to be able to replace it with something better that is not going to fail as easy.
Agreed
I don't care what is done with the V8's but I will not be lowering mine, so just make the rule "weight, MJK's and lowering allowed". Then you can go as far as you want to.
OK lets look at this thing about allowing bolt on bits
Basing it on ACR site
Ninco axle and gears cost $9.00 as a set including front axles and new bearings
A single slot it gear costs $12.00
So any Ninco car can have a new set of axles and gear fitted
When it comes to Flycars ACR doesnt list parts - dunno why - I will ask him next time a call
Couldn't see the Ninco Pro gears - I have some - they sound better than the bloody awful red plastic ones but they are expensive - mind you so were the Ninco pro hubs when I bought them but they have come down in price so maybe the gears have too.
You cant change the spur gear on a V8 without changing the axle cos of the rough section they build onto the axle to hold the gear. The Slot It spur gear will not slide over this rough section unless you smooth it back. This means the wheel will now be without grip on the axle So you would have to get a whole new axle and wheels. It all adds up.
One fly in the ointment is you cant buy V8 wheels - you have to buy the whole chassis - cost $28.00 - I for one would sooner put another $20.00 down and get a whole new car.
Flycars dont use the rough section so a Slot gear could fit - problem there is the hub will not. So you are stuck having to source a whole new axle - thats just the way it is ( luckily for me I have some stock of just the plastic spur gears I imported from the USA - same size as Fly/Scaley but purple in colour)
Plastic hubs cost - on average the same as alloy ones ( although naturally you can pay a lot more - say $20.00 for a pair of alloy wheels)
Perhaps if we proceed with these things it would be prudent to take the gentle approach and allow one class ( say G5) only to have these additions whilst allowing the other classes freedom to swop hubs/gears but only from within the class list and only like for like ( ratios and diametres)
You have to look at it from the whole of the classes not just one car that needs fixing.
I like the idea of Slot Its staying a Slot It class, V8s staying a Scalextric class, Ninco GT staying Ninco etc.
I just dont want the diffrent classes loosing their integrity
I don't care what is done with the V8's but I will not be lowering mine, so just make the rule "weight, MJK's and lowering allowed". Then you can go as far as you want to.
-- Edited by mtpanorama at 17:28, 2008-10-07
Thats cool - nothing says you have to re engineer the things - I know I will not be doing too much to mine
When reading through the regs PLEASE guys try and think of the group as a whole rather than what you personally want.
I would like to move forward but we appear to agree then look at what we have agreed to and then want to change it - typical example is the hubs on V8s. We just about all agreed to keep them standard then we want to change them.
We are now not move so much forward as round and round.
So look at things from a groups point of view not the individual
Look at understanding its not all about making the cars go as fast as possible, its about making the racing better.
Look for the positives instead of the 'what if's' which are again appearing in the V8 hub bub
