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aastes · Senior Member

Complete set of regs - Updated PDF

Rob · Senior Member

RE: Complete set of regs

Chewycat · Member

Thank you steve

Shane Lott · Senior Member

Great stuff Steve,

Can't wait to have all this stuff finalised so we can concentrate on the racing!

Regards

Shane

gref · Senior Member

Looks good from here. I'm so releaved I don't have to do all the brain frying stuff for next year! It's stressful isn't it Steve?

aastes · Senior Member

its not stressful - its frustrating.

reminds me of the story about the kid who was little bit like the Rain Man

He asked his father if there was a colour darker than black.
The dad said no
The kid replied "but if there was a colour darker than black I would paint my bedroom that colour.
"Oh" replied the father, "that would make it very dark"
The kid thought for bit then replied "No, cos I would paint the ceiling black to brighten the room up

See its logical

mtpanorama · Senior Member

Where did the regs come from for the NASCARS, I would like to see this class as basically box stock with weight and MJK's on the rear.

aastes · Senior Member

I just copied another set
have removed the bit about lowering - the rest stays unless lots of others want it changed so it up to everyone else to voice concerns - we may not even race them

aastes · Senior Member

As far as I am concerned thats the rules and regs finished

Just gotta sort through which cars will run in LMP

knoath · Senior Member

Commitee, what's the ruling regarding controllers?

Is it to be as 2008 rules?
(Wire wound resistor type only)

aastes · Senior Member

thats a good question - whilst i was at armchair jim showed me the slot it controller - fell in love till the price was mentioned $180 depending on exchange rate

Shane Lott · Senior Member

? does electronic over a mechanical REALLY make that much difference confused

Rob · Senior Member

For mine, I dont see any reason to change this aspect of our racing. Wire wound controllers have done their intended job.

aastes · Senior Member

biggest problem is thet are either pos wired or neg wired. if you plug a pos wired one in a neg wired track it blows up - this does not happen with wire wound so no from me just for that reason only

Scrivo · Veteran Member

Rob wrote:

For mine, I dont see any reason to change this aspect of our racing. Wire wound controllers have done their intended job.

Agree..if it aint broke dont fix it.

knoath · Senior Member

Scrivo wrote:

Agree..if it aint broke dont fix it.

Thank you.... I agree.

gref · Senior Member

I agree- it aint broke, don't fix it

Shane Lott · Senior Member

RE: Complete set of regs - Updated PDF

Chewycat · Member

Thank you gentleman makes it very clear now

V32Glenn · Veteran Member

great work guys, now to ponder and procure

nomad · Veteran Member

guys, do the rules cover new cars introduced during the year. Last year when new cars came out we seemed to run them without question. Do we need (have we already) covered this off, we need to consider new livery as opposed to new cars
cheers

gref · Senior Member

After speaking with Rob last night, an amendment is needed -

rule 57a - motor and rear axle may be braced in LMP class

sax0607 · Veteran Member

any chance of the same rule amendment for the 997's ?

it may only be me but cracked chassis on the 997's have become an issue , and the cars are rendered usless under the current rules.

the situation can be rectified with the brace.

oh and I forgot to mention it seems the 997 black replacement chassis looks like its been super seeded by the clear lexan versions.

Matt

mtpanorama · Senior Member

Matt, Use more glue, you need to fill the area on the pinion side between the motor bracket and the axle holder and on the other end between the chassis and the motor.

sax0607 · Veteran Member

its done Chris ,
but without the brace and just glued the chassis cracks in the same place ,I have a new car ready to run , but just fear the same will happen again , I suppose I will just have to turn the horsepower dial down.................................

Matt

Ian · Member

Just wondering what the ruling will be as reguards to the Ninco lexan chassis as I have an issue with my toyota supra and am unable to get a black chassis for it, only the lexan one is now available.

Ian

gref · Senior Member

Well my opinion on the chassis matter is if the original is un available then lexan should be allowed - I need a chassis for my NSX, but have had no luck finding one as yet

Rob · Senior Member

Agreed regarding the chassis replacement, the 997 is still available at Pendles I belive, the Supra I do not know?

In regards to bracing, we can discuss this at the first round @ Ians. Personally I think most nincos need bracing in there rear and im sure there are other brands that would benifit from this simple mod.

nomad · Veteran Member

i agree with bracing as it is a known design flaw. as for replacement chassis i dont agree with moving to the pro race part as the original is still readily available.
Ian i actually have a spare one you can purchase. otherwise they can be sourced overseas easily eg fantasy toyworld and Hobby in th eUSA has all the spare parts

Ian · Member

If you have one, consider it sold.

aastes · Senior Member

I agree wit the bracing for all Nincos ( I seem to remeber being told I was wrong in saying that last year!!!!!)

Actually I think bracing should allowed on ALL cars that way its far easier to police and allows ALL cars to have the same mods done

Dont agree to the lexon chassis thing

Actually dont agree to the motor swop thing either based only on the fact cars are moving so far away from production models and all these allowances keep adding to the cost
What if swopping to a Slot It motor makes the car produce better lap times than a Ninco then you should also allow the Ninco to have the Slot It motor and so it goes on and on.

I just dont like some cars being eligible for some mods yet other cars are not, even within the same class

mtpanorama · Senior Member

Bracing for all cars if you want to. A bit late to talk about it at Ian's as we are racing the 997 on that day. Can we sort it out before then.

Thanks Matt, after posting I opened up my Porsche and the glue had let go on the top of the motor. So more glue/re-glue and maybe a brace?

Not sure about the lexan chassis, if it is the only spare chassis available locally, OS isn't handy if you need one quickly, and doesn't break like the standard chassis then why not, its just like changing plastic rims for alloys. If it is also stronger then maybe it will remove the need to brace the chassis.

Rob · Senior Member

Lexan (polycarbonate) will most definitely be stiffer than the production plastic used in the cars. Remember stiffer doesn't always mean stronger, in fact it could just be the opposite and be brittle.

It would seem we are all agreed on the bracing issue of the rear end on ALL cars so let that be closed and added to the rules.

BTW, welcome back Steve.

-- Edited by Rob at 11:31, 2009-01-23

gref · Senior Member

ok agree with bracing (although it does take away the "simple" part of the 997 class)

don't agree with motor swapping.

Chassis is hard as it looks like the plastic chassis is being/has been phased out and lexan is the only option - will need more deiscussion on this

nomad · Veteran Member

guys just for clarity on the motor "swapping" You have already allowed "replacement" (of the same motor) in your general rules (rule 14) and your GT rules (rule 37) insinuate you may change the motor as long as it is limited to 19,000 rpm. Can we please clairify this.

Can i also ask this one, if a car as per class list has a 26,000 rpm motor as standard, can it race in the GT class??
ie if i turn up with a Fly corvette with a pro race fly motor as standard is it eligible?

please clarify thanks

note, yes swapping the generic motor to the slot it does improve lap times, but it is only bringing the car closer to a "generic" 20k limit as all other relevant motor, fly etc run at 18k

Rob · Senior Member

Hi Mark,

1st part of your question
guys just for clarity on the motor "swapping" You have already allowed "replacement" (of the same motor) in your general rules (rule 14) and your GT rules (rule 37) insinuate you may change the motor as long as it is limited to 19,000 rpm. Can we please clairify this. The way I read this is that it is the same motor type, i.e. in all ways not just the can and endbell configuration but RPM and torque etc. The key to this is the words "as per original".

14. If any consumable's (gears, pinions, motors, tyres, bushings, wires, braid,
axles, wheels and tyres) are worn/damaged/replaced the following applies:
Such items listed may be replaced with generic items providing they
do not alter the performance of or the specifications of the car i.e. must
have the same gear ratio as original and motor type as per original and
wheel track width no wider than original
2nd part of your question

Can i also ask this one, if a car as per class list has a 26,000 rpm motor as standard, can it race in the GT class??
ie if i turn up with a Fly corvette with a pro race fly motor as standard is it eligible?
No.
37. Ninco can only run NC5 motors only, Other brands limited to 19k(SCX is
19k).

-- Edited by Rob at 07:10, 2009-01-26

mtpanorama · Senior Member

Rob wrote:

2nd part of your question

Can i also ask this one, if a car as per class list has a 26,000 rpm motor as standard, can it race in the GT class??
ie if i turn up with a Fly corvette with a pro race fly motor as standard is it eligible?
No.
37. Ninco can only run NC5 motors only, Other brands limited to 19k(SCX is
19k).

OK then tell me what other brand of slot car has a 19k motor other than SCX, going to be hard to put an SCX motor in a Scalextric 430 to give it a little more grunt, smile

but that would not be allowed as it is not "as per original".

I thought we were trying to open up the GT class which is what was voted for, looks like those who voted against this have got the rules in place to keep the class the same as last year.

gref · Senior Member

I'm not sure where the 19k came from but it should be 20k as that's what NC5 is? From here I see the forum becoming (or what it should become) a place where it is only in "read" form where no replies can but added as it causes confusion and silly arguments over crap.

Round 1 is this saturday and there's still a few things that need sorting and if need be we can do it then - all in person so it's all open for discussion on the day only. Then it will be posted here and auslot for all to see what "it is" with no option to question or add to it and if that is needed/wanted it can be done through email/pm with Steve, Rob, or myself or all of us. So then it's sorted privately and doesn't drag on.

Sound reasonable?

aastes · Senior Member

Sounds good to me - let me know what you all decide

Just remember we are now looking at getting a $50 car, adding alloy wheels, Slot It gears, and Slot It motors and turning the car into $100 car

I know you dont have to do any of these things
BUT if these things do add up to a better car then you have just doubled the price of getting new cars up to speed

mtpanorama · Senior Member

Sounds like a cover up to me, a read only forum with contact via PM only. I thought this forum was for the free and open discussion from all V32 members, sure it gets bogged down at times but it gets sorted out and everyone knows what it happening. If you want to run a dictatorship then tell us that is what you are doing but don't pretend we all have an input into the group and then change your mind when the questions get a bit hard.

Rob · Senior Member

I cant give you any other car with a 19K motor as you know Chris, if we made it 20K for that matter what other GT cars are available out of the box other than the Nincos?

I certainly have no hidden agendas nor running a dictatorship, this was and still is an open forum from its inception. I'm happy to discuss things though as it has been said before the written word can be taken out of context, and sometimes better resolved face to face.

Questions...love em, though I cant always provide all the right answers.

Scrivo · Veteran Member

Re the chassis issue, rule #15 mention's "readily available part's in Australia".

The original chassis are not readily available in Australia.

Doe's this mean i have to import a $12 part from wherever costing the same or close to a complete car because of the Aussie $...?

nomad · Veteran Member

Rob, Steve, Gref and Chris
thanks for clearing it up ( i think) Writing rules is very difficult as the words can sometimes be interpretted different ways. Saturday will be good to sort out any lingering doubt. But as i now understand GT class is limited to Ninco 20k motor and all others as long as they are 19k, As for the comments i dont follow those so i will let them pass without comment
see you saturday.

Rob · Senior Member

As discussed Saturday during round 1 regarding Guides. For the 60/70s Le Mans Class and Group 5 the following rule should be amended. It was in Steve's original proposal and was already in force for the 2008 season.

Ninco spring guide (Not Pro-Race Guides) - may have spring removed.

This is only for the 60/70s Le Mans Class and Group 5 all other guides are standard as per manufactures spec.

gref · Senior Member

A couple of other things discussed on Saturday: chassis for Ninco cars. As the older/original chassis is out of production, we agreed the new lexan chassis is ok to replace.

SCX motors - can be upgraded to RX 42B or Pro Turbo as the RX 42 is useless and incredibly slow compared with the "B" motors

anything else I've forgotten?

Scrivo · Veteran Member

Nope,

Spot on Shane .

nomad · Veteran Member

i think that was about it guys. well done

gref · Senior Member

Another point that has been brought to my attention is the allowance of Ninco guides in Group 5 class. This was allowed last year and is not mentioned in the rules/regs (unless I missed it), this must be allowed this year as most of us have this mod